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The recent clash between Douglas Murray and Dave Smith on Joe Rogan’s podcast exposed a bitter divide on the Right. Murray, a staunch defender of Israel, sparred with Smith, a libertarian comic who called Israel’s actions in Gaza “genocide.” Rogan later blasted Murray’s appeal to “experts,” saying degrees don’t guarantee truth.
Murray stood firm, arguing real-world experience matters. He’s traveled to war zones and seen Hamas’ brutality firsthand. Smith shot back, claiming average Americans don’t need credentials to spot government lies. Both men agreed experts have failed us—from COVID to Ukraine—but clashed over who deserves a seat at the table.
Rogan took Murray’s side on one point: “Experts are wrong all the time.” He mocked Murray’s own English degree, asking why a comedian’s take on Gaza is less valid. The tension highlighted a growing rift between establishment conservatives and anti-war populists.
Smith’s attacks on Israel stung deeper because he’s Jewish. How could a member of the tribe parrot Hamas talking points? Murray called it betrayal. Israel isn’t perfect, he said, but it’s fighting terrorists who burn babies. Turning on your own people during wartime is shameful.
Rogan’s platform gives voice to outsiders, but Murray warned against amplifying unserious voices. If a comic spreads lies about Israel to 19 million listeners, does free speech still serve truth? Smith fired back: “Elitists don’t own the facts.”
The real issue isn’t degrees—it’s loyalty. Murray champions Western values under siege. Smith trashes the system but offers no solutions. Patriots know strength beats surrender. When our allies fight evil, we stand with them, no apologies.
This isn’t just about Israel. It’s about whether conservatives trust their guts or bow to “experts.” Rogan’s fans smell rot in the establishment. Murray warns: Don’t throw out wisdom with the swamp.
In the end, truth can’t be debated—it’s lived. Murray walks the walk. Smith talks. Americans know which side they’re on.
